bcs living in hell

[RMBCR]

All, I live in Texas and have received several emails from BC friends etc and they all want to know how they can reach out to help foster, transport etc.

Is McKinney animal shelter involved? Or another shelter in the area given the potential offenses here?

How can those in Texas best help. As always, everyone is hopeful they could help financially etc, just not sure of the best way to get the ball rolling.

Sincerely,

Karoline
Houston, TX

It's all a little fishy, isn't it?? BCRTx just asking for DONATIONS, not help. People offering help are asked to make donations. Pretty typical of the group. They still have a plea for help for a HW+ dog on their mainpage that was treated and adopted THREE YEARS ago.

I have offered to help these DOGS directly, but no one seems to be able to point anyone in any direction other than "send donations to BCRTx." Thanks, but no thanks. I am perfectly capable of helping the dogs directly if someone can direct me to where to go to get some of these dogs out. But alas, no one can!

PS--This should really be in the SW section. Last time I checked, Texas was in the SW not in the Midwest.

[urge2herd]

I have been in contact w/the person who sent out the original email I receieved on this situation (I never receieved the one only asking for donations). So far they have only been allowed to get 8 dogs off the property.

I'm not sure how BCRTX is involved, unless it's connected w/Sharon (the gal I've been communicating with).

Here is the email I received:

From: Nadacsharon@aol.com
Reply-to: NADACagility@yahoogroups.com
To: NADACagility@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/28/2010 9:42:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time
Subj: [NADACagility] off topic: Border collie rescue help needed


Hi, group.
I would love to know if there are any border collie rescue groups out
there that could help us with a large incoming group of definitely purebred
border collies that are being brought in.......... we can't possibly take
this on without lots of help the get these dogs into rescue and foster
homes until placed. We don't have the space or time to help them, but they
need to go somewhere and euthanasia might end up being a last resort. There
will be 80+ BCs turned over to the shelter by a hoarder and from seeing the
pictures, they all appear to be absolute purebreds........... black/white,
red/white and tris. Very pretty dogs and all ages.

If you could help in any way, please respond privately and let me know
if you could help with any of these dogs. The 122 taken in last year from
the Ada, OK seizure made it to rescues groups last year and they were all
feral dogs!! These dogs are not feral and just need some good food and
care. Can any rescue groups out there help with this group?

Sharon, who cannot commit to helping without some "outside" help!!

[BayouBCR]

I haven't seen a single request from BCRTX asking for donations. An e-mail from a BCR-CA volunteer encouraged donations, as have numerous BCR board and BC board members. Considering there is one person who has developed a relationship with this man so that he'll trust them to take dogs (and even that is slow going), there is no benefit of trying to sidestep BCRTX. This is likely to be a very slow process, unless the owner can manage to give up all of the dogs at once. Flooding the local shelter with 60 dogs before there are places for all of them to go isn't going to help the dogs or anyone involved.

[RMBCR]

I haven't seen a single request from BCRTX asking for donations.

Did you read this thread at all? Here is the FIRST SENTENCE from the second post in this thread..."Hello BC friends, A Border Collie hoarder in McKinney, Texas is surrendering his 60 dogs and the Border Collie Rescue of Texas is in need of $$ donations to vet out these dogs and get them into foster care." If you read further through that post they make additional pleas for people to send monetary donations and even provide their physical mailing address. These pleas are similar to the ones I have received several times in my inbox over the last few days.

From my understanding, BCRTx does not have ANY dogs from this place...yet. I would be more than happy to help the group or person that actually HAS the dogs that have been released and/or help a few myself. But again, no one has been able to point me in the direction of the person who is directly spearheading this situation. If anyone can provide me with the name/email/phone number of the person who is said to have a good relationship with this man, please feel free to PM me or shoot me an email at ruffmuttk9z@yahoo.com so that I can offer my assistance. Thanks!

ETA: I have attempted to contact Sharon again. Previous attemps have not resulted in any further information. Isn't there someone closer to McKinney that is heading this? Sharon is in OK.

[RMBCR]

The reply I got from Sharon is that they will "know more after Friday because all of the dogs will be out of there by then." Funny, how they go from needing so much help to "we don't need help." So, seems as if they have it all under control on their own (whoever "they" is) and have a plan for where all 60 of these dogs are going. But, you're free to send your money!!!

[candyemmie]

I emailed Sam this morning at BCRT and offered to take over a group of puppies as a rescue. The situation is that with the law in place they have to tread lightly and here is the update from a personal email:

[i]Thanks. Right now we are getting these a few at a time. This is not a court seizure but a owner hoarder who has been given a command to reduce numbers or it will go to court. So we are walking a fine line by working with him not telling him. So we got out 8 Friday, 9 Sunday and we hope for two batches of 15 this week. However that is subject to his whim and we after to walk softly. Thanks for your offer and we may be calling as thing progress. Our goal is to move as many as possible as soon as possible but we can’t just take over…..yet.

Sam[/i]

I know that one group can't take all of these dogs! If any independnat or groups would like to offer taking over any of the dogs please email Sam himself at chemcoast.com. What I have offered is take over all vetting and rescue for a group of 4+puppies as that is what I can offer in foster care that does an amazing job with puppies! I have made it clear that I will reiumberse BCRT for vetting of any I take over. Make sure you are very clear with them as to what you can and will do as things get confuisng!
Julie
PS: for the folks who are calling the oriogional breeders and leaving nasty messages, that is not right at all! These folks I'I'm sure did not start out as over breeding horders and if so they would have never been sold dogs!

[RMBCR]

Julie, what is Sam's actual email address?

[lifestdnt]

I am a foster home for Border Collie Rescue Texas (I'm not an administrator or area coordinator, just a foster home). The man is not giving up his dogs en masse (like all 60 at once), but a few at a time (as noted in the message from Sam that was quoted above). BCRTx is lining up foster homes that will be willing to foster dogs so that when they do get dogs out there are places for them to go. Here is the link to the foster home application: http://www.bcrescuetexas.org/fosterapp.html if anybody on here would like to work with BCRTx.

At this point, as far as I understand, a NADAC and a BCRTx representative have been to the man's house. Dogs are not coming out every day as his giving them up is voluntary at this point (also as noted in the message above). So this is a slow emergency, not a flood, although hopefully over time most of the dogs will get out of there and into better lives. We expect dogs to keep coming out both into BCRTx and NADAC, and both of those groups have received dogs at this time.

As far as coordinating with other rescue groups, I am not privy to those details. That would be something that the head of BCRTx along with our board of directors would work out with the heads of other rescue groups. (Or, of course, that the head of NADAC would work out with other groups).

Thanks, Everybody, for your concern. I'm sure there will be many updates as this progresses.

Susan

[BayouBCR]

I haven't seen a single request from BCRTX asking for donations.

Did you read this thread at all? Here is the FIRST SENTENCE from the second post in this thread..."Hello BC friends, A Border Collie hoarder in McKinney, Texas is surrendering his 60 dogs and the Border Collie Rescue of Texas is in need of $$ donations to vet out these dogs and get them into foster care." If you read further through that post they make additional pleas for people to send monetary donations and even provide their physical mailing address. These pleas are similar to the ones I have received several times in my inbox over the last few days.

Yes, I have read this thread, and I'm well aware of the situation. As I said, I haven't seen a single request from BCRTX asking for donations, not that it would be out of line for them to do so. The second post in this thread is actually a repost of an e-mail from someone that's not with BCRTX. Just as Sharon isn't with BCRTX. Or Bobbie, who is from BCRCA. To imply that there's something "fishy" is pretty ridiculous. If they don't need more foster help, which they HAVEN'T said, then maybe they have enough people/rescues lined up for all of the dogs. You can't allude to some scandal or improper handling of the situation just because you aren't aware of every step that's being taken.

If anyone is truly concerned about where their money is going (though they shouldn't), then wait and send donations when the dogs are out and at whichever rescues take them on. Hopefully things will continue to progress, and these dogs can land in rescues and start down the path of getting healthy and finding homes. That's really what's important here.

[RMBCR]

That is what I have suggested folks do...wait until they see where the dogs are before they send money blindly.

It annoys me when groups send out mass emails like this asking for massive amounts of help and then turn down the help when it's offered in any form other than money. It isn't just me they're turning down, it's everyone I know that has contacted them outside of one of the two groups that's said to be working on this. But really, it is okay. If they have everything under control (which I find hard to believe since just yesterday they didn't) then I can focus my energy on rescuing other dogs in need. Most of the dogs in the photos, while in sort of a dirty location, looked to be in fine condition physically anyway.

[Farm Wife]

I have to ask a really uncomfortable question not yet addressed. The photos show many of these dogs, all ages and sizes housed together. Was there any selective breeding exercised by their owner? Are they all from the original pair? I was bluntly asked by several interested parties if these dogs are closely interbred. Not an unreasonable question considering the photos. They all look lovely and basically healthy, but the question still remains. Potential physical and mental issues could pose additional complications in placing these dogs. I ask this of anyone with "on the scene" knowledge to reply. That being said, my offer to foster puppies and very young dogs still stands.

[lifestdnt]

I am pretty sure that they are all descendants of the original pair.

[RMBCR]

There is no way of knowing who bred with who to create all of these dogs. From what I have heard, NONE of them are over 4 years old, which means there probably is some degree of inbreeding going on.

[candyemmie]

I agree Debbie, this is a chaos situation that started with 2 BC's and it's just now a whole crap load of beautiful BC's in need! I don't really think there would have ever been a way to know who bred with who and does that matter in rescue? I have seen some wacko but beautiful mixes: saw a tiny blue berle mix with terrier and it was a great dog, don't know how the male got up there with a blue merle but it is what it is breeding.
All right, now have people stopped calling the breeders? Have people followed through with foster applications? Are groups or rescuers stepping up to help take some of these dogs? That's the focus now.
Julie

[bordercollies_4ever]

I can help with young females or males. I wish I could take some older ones but with the dogs I have now that is impossible.
I have a friend that is a transport coordinator for another rescue group that is willing to set up transport from Texas to Ga. If you need our help - please let me know and I will set it up from our end. I will try to find foster homes for the enough that would make the transport worthwhile. I volunteer and foster for my humane society - please let me know if there is any paper work I need to fill out or if you need any other information.
Carole Smith/GA
bordercollies_4ever